Close Please enter your Username and Password
Reset Password
If you've forgotten your password, you can enter your email address below. An email will then be sent with a link to set up a new password.
Cancel
Reset Link Sent
Password reset link sent to
Check your email and enter the confirmation code:
Don't see the email?
  • Resend Confirmation Link
  • Start Over
Close
If you have any questions, please contact Customer Service

posts

Member Deleted Post


This post has been deleted by

KindMindUnwinds 53M
379 posts
9/24/2017 12:20 pm

i must agree. freedom is about the choice to protest and the ability to do so. im no fan of religion or televised sport, but we need to stay vigilant and point out when our leaders or in fact our entire system is corrupt and not working for the everyday man.

be groovy to each other


brandygirasol 54T
9365 posts
9/24/2017 12:25 pm

Sweety I Don't Deny Them Their Rights To Disrespect And Hate Their Own Country - Their Own Flag And Their Own Fellow Citizens/Veterans Who Served And Maybe Died Or Came Back As Cripples... YES They Have Their Rights- And I Have My Rights To Call Them Out For The Selfish No Good Scumbag Rats They Demonstate Themselves To Be- NO PROBLEM


jenny14 75T  
90121 posts
9/24/2017 1:30 pm

v

Well said!

Respect has to be earned and Trump has not done that!!!

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing. George Bernard Shaw

Jenny


mstraesop53 70M  
1814 posts
9/24/2017 2:03 pm

Hyman Roth: There was this kid I grew up with; he was younger than me. Sorta looked up to me, you know. We did our first work together, worked our way out of the street. Things were good, we made the most of it. During Prohibition, we ran molasses into Canada... made a fortune, your father, too. As much as anyone, I loved him and trusted him. Later on he had an idea to build a city out of a desert stop-over for GI's on the way to the West Coast. That kid's name was Moe Greene, and the city he invented was Las Vegas. This was a great man, a man of vision and guts. And there isn't even a plaque, or a signpost or a statue of him in that town! Someone put a bullet through his eye. No one knows who gave the order. When I heard it, I wasn't angry; I knew Moe, I knew he was head-strong, talking loud, saying stupid things. So when he turned up dead, I let it go. And I said to myself, this is the business we've chosen; I didn't ask who gave the order, because it had nothing to do with business!

Godfather Part II(1974)

The reason I mention this quote is to paraphrase "This this is the government/Constitution we have chosen".

It is a constitution that gives free speech to everybody from Nazis & the Alt-Right to Black Lives Matters. If people want to protest by taking a knee during the national anthem at a football game I say let it go. It is not violent, it doesn't endanger people, like the illegal blocking of traffic. Trump requesting these protests be punished is violating their constitutional rights, and is leading us on the road to fascism..


achingbuttimid 68F
4 posts
9/24/2017 3:46 pm

Amen, sister.


DancingDom 74M
22475 posts
9/24/2017 4:10 pm

I am with you. Trump and those who support him, keep making the claim that the kneeling is disrespectful of the Flag and the military folks who served.. Nationalism is not the point of the protests. . Trump supporters simply do not want to acknowledge that the protesting is not about the Military or the Flag even. The protesting is about unfair treatment of people, mostly about people of color; by law enforcement and the court system, It has now expanded to acknowledge that we all have the right to free speech. Trump acts more and more like a dictator. If it keeps up without a free press and the ability of people to express themselves in opposition to the government, then we wind p like the folks who kept quiet in Nazi Germany.

"One Big Sky Covers Us All Equally"


Dreamcatcher__ 87M
7019 posts
9/24/2017 4:58 pm

When is the rest of America going to learn to do what Defense Secretary Mattis does, and just ignore Trump's tweets?


Dreamcatcher__ 87M
7019 posts
9/24/2017 5:11 pm

When is the rest of America going to learn to do what Defense Secretary Mattis does, and just ignore Trump's tweets? Since when has he really cared about any issue? Once an attention whore, always an attention whore... which why, I suppose, that a BDSM site is an appropriate venue for his comments to seem relevant.


Doc_Sonar 66M
24589 posts
9/24/2017 7:05 pm

    Quoting Dreamcatcher__:
    When is the rest of America going to learn to do what Defense Secretary Mattis does, and just ignore Trump's tweets? Since when has he really cared about any issue? Once an attention whore, always an attention whore... which why, I suppose, that a BDSM site is an appropriate venue for his comments to seem relevant.
Yes, Dc I agree trump is - among many OTHER negative things - an attn. ho' that seems to be uncaring about all issues not Russia/Putin related...

Just ~ what if I said some things, because of their content and consequences are harder for SOME people than it is for OTHERS to ignore?

S'pose many of us can't see to manage ignoring this man and his words/actions like Mattis ~ and possibly you?

And just suppose that vloree wrote about this topic not because it was so bdsm-relevant, but because she wanted to and b/c she can - just as every other blogger on this site does?

Were you trying to somehow censure her? I couldn't be sure, and wanted to check...

And why and for what do you think they all take a knee? Do you share brandy's views?

I continue to feel he is a deplorable human being in every way he's shown us, and that vloree's commentary seemed perfectly spot on to me, and I'm also a vet.

Lemme know if I got your intent wrong, Dc.... It happens...a Lot, in the current political climate.

BD~
P

Doc_Sonar

I advocate Simplicity, Patience & Compassion...to the extent that doing so won't threaten or harm My boundaries or Me. ~ Doc_Sonar


Breathe Deeply~
Peace


Doc_Sonar 66M
24589 posts
9/24/2017 7:13 pm

Yes, I'm of the same mind as you. 100%.

What if I said that I oppose selective kinds of justice with the same contempt I have for alternative facts?

I won't advocate for freedom while supporting keeping others down, hushed-up or in closets.

I love your Voice..it has heart, courage, thoughtfulness, kindness, equality-advocacy and eloquence... It's among the things I like about you.

I might have to go and tell people.....

Good for you.
YKKDD
BD~
LnP xoz

Doc_Sonar

I advocate Simplicity, Patience & Compassion...to the extent that doing so won't threaten or harm My boundaries or Me. ~ Doc_Sonar


Breathe Deeply~
Peace


DancingDom 74M
22475 posts
9/24/2017 7:54 pm

I just have to add: None of this protesting is about our Military or those who served, it is not even about the Flag or a song. It is about basic human dignity and treatment of others. The first issue, brought to light by Kapernick was about the harsh responses and treatment of people of color by law enforcement in various jurisdictions. It has been clearly obvious that in so many cases, people lost their lives because of prejudice. Now Trump has jumped on the bandwagon in defacto opposition to fair treatment. The protesting has now extended to Trump directly because of his words/actions and inaction. I wish the National Anthem and salute to the Flag would not have become issues of these protests.Trump and his supports just do not understand how they are a cause of the division in this country.

But the point of the protesting is valid, The manner of protesting is debatable. I wish there was a clearer way of making the point of these protests, without getting people would up about what is patriotic. But no matter, I support the right of protestors to peacefully protest and call attentions to the problems And I surely feel the original post about pretesting being Patriotic is spot on.

"One Big Sky Covers Us All Equally"


Plzrmeister 67M  
10140 posts
9/25/2017 6:59 am

But the point of the protesting is valid, The manner of protesting is debatable.

It seems to me the 'point' of the protesting has been lost.

Yeah, the discussion has digressed into the 'manner' of protesting.

Perhaps find another manner of protesting that is not,
in and of itself, so divisive?


Perhaps.

Make Women Female Again


lastguymn 56M

9/25/2017 8:09 am

Nicely stated. I completely agree.

Whenever I hear some "patriot" getting their undies in a twist about a form of protest that somehow involves the flag, the national anthem, or another of our storied symbols, I can't help but notice that the loudest and most indignant of those howling about such a "desecration" are almost always the ones who seem most willing to suspend the protections of the First Amendment to assuage their blind outrage, which clearly indicates to me that they are only capable of recognizing the superficial material symbols and are completely ignorant of what those symbols actually symbolize.

It makes me wonder how many of those who are so offended could accurately recite the words to the song they supposedly have so much respect for (I'd bet that percentage is even further south than President Bone Spurs' approval ratings). How many of them could tell the difference between the Preambles to the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution and Lincoln's Gettysburg Address were they not specifically labeled? How many couldn't even name their senators and congressperson if pressed to do so?

It often seems like most of these so-called patriots know almost nothing about the nation that they so vehemently purport to love...and the entire foundation of their patriotism is limited to what can fit on a bumper sticker.

~LastGuy

"It's great to be here. It's great to be anywhere." -- Keith Richards

"There are many spokes on the wheel of life. First, we're here to explore new possibilities." -- Ray Charles


lastguymn 56M

9/25/2017 8:24 am

    Quoting Plzrmeister:
    But the point of the protesting is valid, The manner of protesting is debatable.

    It seems to me the 'point' of the protesting has been lost.

    Yeah, the discussion has digressed into the 'manner' of protesting.

    Perhaps find another manner of protesting that is not,
    in and of itself, so divisive?

    Perhaps.
It's Monday morning on a broken down kink site...and we're discussing these protests and what they mean.

Divisiveness is not the problem...it's the point. Protesting is the act of drawing a line in the sand that forces those who are either not paying attention or too afraid to take a stand to decide which side of that line they want to be on.

A protest that plays nice and stays out of the way is a protest that doesn't get on the news...it's a protest that doesn't stoke outrage about injustices...it's a protest that doesn't get noticed...and for all intents and purposes, it's a protest that didn't even happen.

This protest has people talking all over the world. It is peaceful...no one has been hurt...no one has been killed...yet we're talking about it, we're talking about it a lot.

I would say that the 'manner' of the protest couldn't be more effective.

~LastGuy

"It's great to be here. It's great to be anywhere." -- Keith Richards

"There are many spokes on the wheel of life. First, we're here to explore new possibilities." -- Ray Charles


Plzrmeister 67M  
10140 posts
9/25/2017 2:29 pm

This protest has people talking all over the world. It is peaceful...no one has been hurt...no one has been killed...yet we're talking about it, we're talking about it a lot.

I couldn't agree more with what you've said here. However I contend the vast majority of the discussions are focusing on the form of the protest and not the substance. Is the only effective manner of drawing attention to a particular problem or grievance to kneel or sit during the playing of our national anthem? My opinion is that this particular methodology has offended and alienated many people who would otherwise be (or actually are) sympathetic to the purpose of the protest. We'll have to simply agree to disagree.

Make Women Female Again


MissLadywood 51F
6195 posts
9/26/2017 12:04 pm

A wonderful post. i only wish people would think about the 'why' these guys are doing this.
Trump maybe a total twat but he is a clever one. To quote MistressKimm
"The message is not being 'lost' by the method - it is being twisted by those who do not want to address the issue."
Trump certainly doesn't want to address the issue or have too many folks calling on him to address it either.

People should be proud of these guys and thank them for not allowing the problem to be swept under the carpet and forgotten about.

Life So Short, The Craft So Long To Learn


Plzrmeister 67M  
10140 posts
9/26/2017 1:57 pm

So, do tell - what is acceptable to the sensibilities of the white people?
Protests are only good if it doesn't upset the white people?
Somehow, I don't think our little white feelings matter in comparison.

Ah OK, I get it. 'White people' are the only ones who think this manner of protest is disrespectful and counter productive. I must have only imagined people of many different races saying they thought this was inappropriate behavior when interviewed. Thank you for setting me straight. I have made an appointment to have my eyes and ears checked out.

Recently, a man of Mexican decent was shot dead in Oklahoma and a 'Caucasian' man was shot dead in Huntington Beach, CA. I hope you don't mind that I find these shootings equally as abhorrent as I do when Blacks, or people of any race, are shot dead and we're unable to make any sense of it. My anger and bewilderment of people being killed is not limited by the color of their skin. I think we'd agree that all unjustified police shootings should be addressed.

I will join you in almost any form of protest you'd care to participate in to bring attention to unjustified police shootings of ALL people.. I say 'almost' because I will not do anything which I consider disrespectful to our flag or anthem. If others want to go that route, that's their right. If they care to burn our flag, that's their right too. They have their rights and I have my right to feel it's inappropriate. You would grant me that right - Correct?

As a side note to this whole issue, I'd really like to know how our society has seemingly devolved (in many areas) to a point where our police seem to be so scared shit-less, that shooting first and asking questions later happens all too often. The police are not all two headed monsters that set out each day in search of somebody to shoot. Like each of us, they have a survival instinct and I suspect they really look forward to going home in one piece each night. Far too many police officers have been gunned down too and that deserves attention too.

This is probably an oversimplification, but it seems when a police officer shoots someone (questionable or perfectly justified), they are vilified, put under a microscope and given several anal exams. When a police officer is shot and killed in the line of duty, it's like, "Hmmm... That's a shame. What time does the game start?"

I do apologize for being a white man - I know it's not very trendy. Being white, I also know my words must all be taken with an grain of salt. If I'm not mistaken, I believe vloree is one of those 'white people' too. It's really odd she and I would have a different 'take' on the same subject. Jeez .... suppose people of the same race can actually have different opinions?




Make Women Female Again


Plzrmeister 67M  
10140 posts
9/27/2017 6:02 am

@Mistresskimm
They have stated that it is not about a song or flag.Then protest at a different time during the game. The Dallas Cowboys took a knee before the National Anthem and then stood. Do it before you leave the field for halftime? Do it when you come out of the tunnel before the game? I am probably wrong, but there would seem to be lots of alternate opportunities of when to protest.

You can choose to be offended by thinking it is disrespectful, but that doesn't make it true.Actually that does make it true to Me and millions of others, since it is 'our opinion'. Our opinion is true to us, just as your opinion is true to you and others who do not consider it disrespectful. We are all right, in our own minds.

This country puts 2/3's of them in jail.You must have meant to say something else here, because this statement is absurd. 2/3 of Blacks in the USA are in jail?

There are not overwhelming numbers of unarmed whites being shot and killed by police.FBI statistics indicate a white male is more likely to be shot by police than a black male. I probably shouldn't confuse the issue with facts.

You know, we are both more on the same page than not. I have located two videos on 'The Tube' that I feel put things into a little perspective, without all the rhetoric. One is from a Black man and can be found at 'This Fan is Done With NFL'. The other is from one of 'those white people' and can be found at 'Trying to Understand the Protests With Truth & Love'. Will either change your mind? Probably not and I don't really care to - you have a right to think whatever you want. I do think both will shed some light on the subject though. Be well..... G

Make Women Female Again


Plzrmeister 67M  
10140 posts
9/27/2017 6:30 am

CORRECTION. The second video (the one I described as 'Trying to Understand the Protests With Truth & Love' is actually entitled 'The Best Anti-NFL Speech'. I think it;s actually mislabeled, because I don't consider it to be anti-NFL at all. In any event, now those of you who care to view it can readily locate it.

Make Women Female Again


Plzrmeister 67M  
10140 posts
9/27/2017 12:07 pm

You've gotta love statistics! They can pretty much be manipulated to substantiate whatever point you're making . Take the Washington Post's results. Have their figures been adjusted for age? For example, of the 160 million more white people in America, are 159 million of these over the age of 60, which is a highly unlikely age group to get shot at, regardless of color. That's an absurd example you (and many others) say. I agree, it is. I use it only to show that sheer population numbers are not the only considerations I think need taken into account. We could analyze between blue eyes and green eyes too. Are the green eyed white people 33.7289% more likely to be shot?

Of these 1,502 shootings, how many were justified? Does this figure include a person who was shot while in the commission of a serious crime? A murder? Driving over pedestrians? Killing students on a college campus or an elementary school? Randomly shooting people at a shopping mall? Running down the street loping off heads with a machete? I hope you'll agree that you'd even pull out a gun and shoot some of these people, regardless of their race. They need killing! Does the Washington Post's figures differentiate between these and similar types of shootings and seemingly senseless ones? That would seem to be a pretty important thing to take into consideration. Would you agree?

What would seem to be a more valid analysis is to first isolate the age group most often involved in police shootings. Hypothetically, let's say that is males between the ages of 18 to 25 (wild ass guess). Now we need to determine the Black, White and Hispanic populations (Sorry Orientals) within that age group. Now we can theoretically determine, by race, the percentage of police shootings within that age group. At the same time, we ought to be able to determine the percentage of justified versus seemingly senseless shootings too. Hell, maybe the Hispanic people ought to be the ones running for their lives! Maybe in the 26 to 33 age group it's the Blacks and in the 34 to 55 age group it's the Whites. I don't know. Do you know? Did the Washington Post give us this sort of information?

I guess the FBI and the Washington Post will have to battle it out over which statistics are more valid. I have better things to do and I'm sure you do too. Now that the dust has pretty much settled on our discussion, I hope we can both agree that anyone senselessly killed by another is a tragedy. I mourn the civilian, the police officer and the soldier equally.

You have a good day


Make Women Female Again


Plzrmeister 67M  
10140 posts
9/27/2017 4:25 pm

Well now I'm just crushed. shrug.

Make Women Female Again


Tbill1 58M
1795 posts
1/5/2018 3:07 pm

It warms my heart to see so many defend this post. Fuck the nazis

andy



Become a member to comment on this blog